Shinnecocks Remain Mute on Rifle Incident

A spokeswoman for the Shinnecock Indian Nation said the trustees have 'no comment.'

The is neither denying or acknowledging the occurrence of an incident in which a Hampton Bays baymen says he and another fisherman were shot at while harvesting shellfish in the Shinnecock Bay near the reservation on Wednesday.

A spokeswoman for the Shinnecocks said on Friday that the trustees of the nation "have no comment" regarding the incident.

According to an article published on 27east earlier this week, Scott Burgess and Dean Columbo alleged that they were digging clams when "they heard the report of a rifle and the sound of bullets whizzing past" them.

To read the full 27east report, click here.

walter stibble July 06, 2012 at 07:51 PM
There seems to be a disturbing pattern of violence occurring on or near the reservation and it's always, "no comment..."If they can't police themselves, it's time for the state to move in and take a hard line. Several months ago, tribe members took shots at the media who were nearby filming. What ever became of that, who was arrested and charged with the crime?
highhatsize July 06, 2012 at 08:00 PM
Numerous online correspondents on 27east.com have complained of being shot at by the Shinnecocks for decades while in the waters near Shinnecock land. The Shinnecock trustees may have no comment NOW but earlier Lance Gumbs stated that the baymen heard "firecrackers" rather than gunshots. (No comment about the further assertion by one bayman that he felt the bullet whiz by.) Seems like pure dissembling by Mr. Gumbs after the fact. Mr. Gumbs also made it clear that the Shinnecocks claim ownership of the bay bottom to 1000 feet from shore but it is unclear on what this claim is based. The gunshots were fired, it would seem, to scare the baymen off. If there is a dispute between the Shinnecocks and the state as to which offshore waters are actually "theirs", then the dispute should be settled before any further action is taken by the state enabling Shinnecock casinos. This egregious anti-social behavior is intolerable. Holding off on licensing Shinnecock casinos is the most assured means of compelling a speedy resolution of the dispute and ending the "turkey shoot" PERMANENTLY.
walter stibble July 06, 2012 at 08:03 PM
I agree....
highhatsize July 06, 2012 at 08:17 PM
While the baymen claimed to be 500 yards off the beach, one of the Shinnecocks asserted that the tribe owned the bay bottom to 1,000 YARDS.
Jaguar-Guy July 06, 2012 at 08:56 PM
Wow, I agree also - Shocker - don't fall over High Hat. I wanted to write and ask - how they can be accused of crime(s) without there being any consequences?
Jaguar-Guy July 06, 2012 at 08:57 PM
One what basis is their ownership claim made ??
John jones July 07, 2012 at 02:23 AM
Alcohol and Indians just don't mix
Jim July 07, 2012 at 05:00 AM
These criminals have been doing this for years. Suppose we shot at them when they came to drink in Southampton bars and harass women there? Then we would all be racists I guess. How about when they show up at private parties unannounced and start beating people, as has happened many times over the years. Very touchy people arent they? I can shoot at you when you come too close but get out of my way I want what you have whitey.
MLT July 07, 2012 at 01:59 PM
Unfortunately many local non Indian and members of society in the area do not feel that intruding on Indian rights and land is a violation .but it is. Somehow many think that they are less than the same southampton rich beach homeowners that claim their beach is violated by trespassers. The only difference is the Indian nation has been denied equal access to local laws just because they are a minority of society. Stop trying to keep taking from them and their land. Fish and clam on the other land you stole from them. You selfish and small minded people want to take and take more from people you already stole from. The crimes are what many people do to them. They should protect their property. Just like those rich waterfront home owners in Southampton town do without being accused of crimes .
highhatsize July 07, 2012 at 03:16 PM
to MLT: The Shinnecock claim of ownership of the bay bottom is a naked assertion unsupported by law or consensus. The Southampton Town Trustees, charged with oversight of the bays, do not recognize it. Since the Trustees are properly jealous of their authority, they never will. As long as the Shinnecock leaders continue to promote the dogma that the bay bottom is tribal land on which baymen are trespassing, their members will continue to shoot at citizens violating their "rights". Putting a stop to the shooting requires that an end be put to the ownership dispute. The pending approval of Shinnecock casinos gives us the leverage to compel an agreement with the intransigent tribe, an opportunity which will not come again. The state should make it clear to the Shinnecocks that no licenses will be forthcoming unless and until they reach an agreement with the authorities about the status of the waters offshore of Indian land. Foregoing this opportunity, and allowing the status quo to continue, is a timorous legislative decision that will end in tragedy.
North Fork Bob July 07, 2012 at 10:16 PM
SH Police aren't allowed on the reservation.So people who have active warrants or are wanted for crimes stay on the Reservation. Many of them sell drugs to make money.This draws the drug suppliers and users. I was in a guys back yard once.He had 7 station wagons with metal gates on the back.Inside were 49 pit bulls he was raising.
Jim July 08, 2012 at 04:11 AM
Over the years these "descendents' of a once proud people have murdered, raped. sold drugs, assaulted, and run gun smuggling operations from their "reservation". Their ancestors must be so proud to have them as "descendants". Once again its the white mans fault because "we" stole from them. What a poor excuse for a bunch of criminal behavior. Thugs, goons, animals.
Jaguar-Guy July 08, 2012 at 12:50 PM
That just sounds too sick.
proud native July 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM
Proud shinnecock tribal member and its a shame what animals and ignorant white folks will say behind a computer...no I'm not a criminal or in the least uneducated but reading these post specifically "Jim" say this in front of a tribe member n u never will again. Trespassing is trespassing And insensitive and ignorant ppl u protect have done it for years...and we wont have it! So no our progress will not be stopped nor will our pride and positivity! Come from behind your computers and into 2012 or grow up!
walter stibble July 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM
Yup. it's all of us ignorant white folks that are wrong...of course, nothing to be said for personal responsibility, something you show you know little about. The fact that you threaten violence is the reason for all the problems to begin with. You folks have anger issues, get over it, learn to deal with it and live within the rules of society and with your neighbors.....don't make us regret not killing all of your ancestors when we had the chance. Your behavior is reprehensible (try a dictionary if you don't know what the word means Chief).
walter stibble July 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM
And who's hiding behind a Keyboard....oh that's right, "Proud Native" is. My name is on my posts for the world to see, we can't say the same for you kemosabe.
proud native July 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
And that's bcuz u are irrelevant to anyone but ur immediate circle Walter stibblle. And u may think ur ansestors cud have done so but it never happened...u just try n make sure ur future makes it if they keep trying our ppl. Lol so sad ppl don't evolve. Stay under ur rock and away from our rez period! Um sure u have ur own who cares less business to attend to try that. Um done with this mess....reading ur comments has made me feel unlike a college graduate! Smdh
Jaguar-Guy July 11, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Pride and positivity ?? They were shooting at people and are chicken to come forward.
MLT July 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM
Walter i understand the feeling of being subjected to the ignorance and stupidity of a person like you. You just stated that you wanted to kill all Indians as before. Understanding history will tell you. Todays americans with much more anger issues slaughtered the Indian tribes who once were and still are the only true americans in this country. Not all white folk are ignorant, But i bet you are uneducated. Bad behavior is your statements that are racist, insensitive and lack any logical meaning I agree with the tribe that you are hiding. Take their land take away their rights and now try to take away what you left them with. It will never, and i mean never happen again, no matter how many unfavorable laws that are fabricated to protect the rich and hurt the original people. And Walter you are hiding .
highhatsize July 11, 2012 at 11:52 PM
The Shinnecocks don't want to enter into a dialogue about their ownership of the waters surrounding their land because they maintain that they own "everything" that the white man took from them. That dog don't hunt. They MAY have a right to possession of the bay bottom that had been exposed prior to the opening of Shinnecock Inlet (thanks to a '72 court decision.) This would seem to be a profitable line of discussion. If an agreement can be reached on this point, a boundary can be measured and marked by pilings so that baymen will know where the Indian lands end. The granting of casino licenses should be contingent on such an agreement.
TTwain July 16, 2012 at 03:30 PM
The poorest Indian tribe in America lives 1 mile from the Koch brothers. I would guess that is not an ideal situation. Perhaps a VIP entrance will solve the problem
TTwain July 16, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Rich white people and Indians just don't mix. the answer ...duck.
TTwain July 16, 2012 at 03:40 PM
That would be against Federal law? They are not the only people in the Hampton's that can't police themselves.
TTwain July 16, 2012 at 03:48 PM
What job options do these people have in the Hampton's Are there any nail lady job's open?
Tommy Bob July 28, 2012 at 01:47 AM
How much of "Indian" is left on the res? Sure don't look like the Yakimas I've hung with in Ore.
Rose August 10, 2012 at 02:59 AM
African Americans with feathers!
Rose August 10, 2012 at 03:00 AM
There are no more "Indians". No more "Native Americans". The only thing left is African Americans with feathers!
Jaguar-Guy August 10, 2012 at 10:42 AM
What is your point ? THEY ARE SHOOTING AT CIVILIANS - Idiot. Are you implying they are entitled to shoot a few people because there are hundreds of Millionaires living close ??
Carole Brown December 23, 2012 at 11:48 PM
I have never read such garbage in my life. You Southampton snobs should all go back to where your ancestors came from..... what at bunch of snobery.....
Tommy Bob January 14, 2013 at 10:47 PM
If you live on the res then you are the one from Southampton not I. "You Southampton snobs" indicates your desire to be separate from Southampton, therefore, you are the snob. And, if you are not from Southampton then why bother with any of the issues? Furthermore, you have no idea where my ancestors came from. A very snobbish comment to be sure.


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